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#230148 - 09/28/09 06:35 PM 84-87 Monte SS Steering Gear Box Option
MGD72Monte Offline
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Just looking for 84-87 Monte SS alternate steering option information for use on a 72 Monte.

Here are some questions:

- Can I modify my existing rag joint to fit (I just refurbished it) or do I need to buy a new unit? (where can I get that?)
- Are the hygraulic line hook-ups the same?
- Do you need to upgrade the power steering pump?
- How drastic is the improvement?
- How many turns lock to lock?
- What is the pitman shaft turning angle? Same as stock or do you now have a larger turning radius for the car?
- Instead of looking for an old low mileage car, can I just to to Autozone and order a reman 84-87 Monte SS steering gear and get the same benefits?


Sorry if this has already been covered in a previous thread, I could not find it.

Any info is appreciated Thanks
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#230154 - 09/28/09 07:59 PM Re: 84-87 Monte SS Steering Gear Box Option [Re: MGD72Monte]
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http://www.geocities.com/diels12000/SteeringBox.html

http://einstyn.com/einstyn-hardtop-06.htm

For some reason, I have the feeling that finding a correct, rebuilt fast-ratio Monte Box from an Autoparts store will be a gamble. But I could be wrong...

I decided to get a complete kit from www.cvsteering.com and never regretted it...grin





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#230181 - 09/28/09 10:49 PM Re: 84-87 Monte SS Steering Gear Box Option [Re: Andreas]
Chris Offline
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I run that same type box in my 71. You need a GM # 7826542 ragjoint to mate it to the column. Use your original pitman arm.


Edited by Chris (09/28/09 10:49 PM)
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#230196 - 09/29/09 12:01 AM Re: 84-87 Monte SS Steering Gear Box Option [Re: Chris]
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there are adapters to use your stock lines on that box too
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#230258 - 09/29/09 03:57 AM Re: 84-87 Monte SS Steering Gear Box Option [Re: MGD72Monte]
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Registered: 09/19/07
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I just completed this conversion on my 71 Monte and this is what I found and did:
1. The current power steering box will have 3.3 turns LTL and the output shaft will rotate 88.6 degrees. It is a variable ratio box that has a faster turn ratio (lower number - 12:1) at one turn from each extreme than it does when centered (higher number - 15:1) at one turn from center. It is even higher at ˝ turn about center.
2. I used a power steering gear box from an 85 Monte Carlo SS. It can be 85 to 88 but MUST be from an SS - engine code G - L69 5.0L. I bought a rebuilt one from CarQuest for about $200 plus a core charge. This box has 2.4 turns LTL and the output shaft will rotate 67.5 degrees. This means you will have a larger turning radius. It is a constant ratio box of 12.8:1.
3. You will need a new rag joint. You don't need to spend $100 plus for one from GM. I bought one from RockAuto for $40.79. Dormin #31011. It fits 76 to 86 C10 GMC or Chevy 2 wheel drive pickups. I used one bolt supplied with the new rag joint and one from my old one. This will make more sense when you see it for yourself. You need to enlarge one hole in the rag joint so the old bolt will fit.
4. Your current power steering pump has enough output pressure to work with the new steering gear but I would advise you to rebuild your old pump. Everything but the shaft bearing is easy to do. If you don't want to rebuild, you can buy a reconditioned one for about $40. Either way you need the correct tool to remove the pump pulley.
5. The biggest headache was with the fittings on the new steering gear versus the old hoses. The new steering gear has metric o-ring fittings and the old hoses are SAE flare - so is the pump. You can buy aluminum inserts from Lee Manufacturing that convert the female 0-ring on the gear to mate up with the flare fittings on the hose but then you have to finesse the SAE threads into metric threads. I found several complaints where this did not work very well and several comments where it works just fine. Weatherhead DOES NOT make both conversion fittings needed. I took a little different route; I bought a new pressure hose for a 71 Monte and I took it to a place called “Tubes N’ Hoses” and had them modify the new hose with the correct fitting on the steering gear side (metric o-ring ) and make a return hose from scratch. The new hose was $17 at RockAuto and the mod work was $26.

If I were to do it again, I would get the adapters that go from female metric 0-ring on the gear box to male AN-6 (about $8 each) and use AN-6 fittings on the entire setup.

The result was will worth the work. It drives with a much better road feel and since I never parallel park my Monte in small spaces, I don’t mind the larger turning ratio.
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#230459 - 09/30/09 01:46 AM Re: 84-87 Monte SS Steering Gear Box Option [Re: MagicDragon42]
MGD72Monte Offline
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Thanks for all the great advice guys. Great details for me to work with.

fgmcc
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