sendo Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 hello does anyone know what is the original part number to the starter on the 70 454 SS if i am reading this book right it is not listed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft69z Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 I tried to look at the GM Heritage Center documents, but they're no longer available online apparently. They used to have all sorts of information, specs, part numbers, etc. Maybe someone here may have saved a copy of the .pdf document for a 1970 and can post the attachment here. Then we can go thru it and see what part number it says was used. This was the old link, but now it just re-directs to some generic GM page: http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/docs/gm-heritage-archive/vehicle-information-kits/Monte-Carlo/1970-Chevrolet-Monte-Carlo.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft69z Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 I'm going to call there tomorrow, to see what's the deal. I'll try to get packages for the 70-72 Montes from them if possible. After that, I'll put them in a link so we can all have access to the info. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft69z Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 So, out of curiosity, I seemed to remember the factory service manuals had specs in the back of the book for a lot of stuff. I looked in my '72 manual and found the page below. It lists the starter part number, engines, specs, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the 70 manual. If someone here has one, they may be able to give it a quick look and see what it shows. I've been meaning to get a 70 & 71 manual, just hasn't happened yet. The 'new' ones they offer online are crappy reproductions that are barely readable, so that's out. Tried it once, sent it back to Amazon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1970mcss Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 My Parts catalog shows the replacement number is 1109025 for all 70-75 w a/trans 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtret Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Am I missing something? Both pages of the original post show the starting motor asm 1108413 (8). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendo Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Dtret said: Am I missing something? Both pages of the original post show the starting motor asm 1108413 (8). that page is for the 396 and 400 cu I'm looking for 454 cu, but like I said I don't know if I am reading these books right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft69z Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I ordered the 70, 71, & 72 CD's with the service manual, Fisher body, and Assembly Manuals the other night. As soon as they get here, I'll look in the 1970 Service manual to see what it says. I have all the 72 manuals in paperback, but figured if I have them in digital format, it'll be easier to post pages here when needed. I called GM Archives too, but all I got was voice mail, left a message, and have not received any response yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotinrob Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 For the LS5 engine the starter is non-illustrated and says assembles the same as the L34. Doesn't mean the part number is the same though. A quick check of GMpartswiki shows the production number to be 1108430 and the service part number to be 1108429. Lots of information in the assembly manual but part numbers are sometimes not in them. Digging a bit deeper into the M40 assembly section once again we find it is non-illustrated assembles same as production see BOM or parts list. So the L34 illustration shows the part number for a standard trans no the TH400. rotin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft69z Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I spoke with someone at GM this morning. Apparently GM is 'rebranding' their archives she said, unfortunately they took down all the info before doing it correctly. She suggested I email them with a request for the 3 years I want, which I just did. If/when they arrive, I'll post. The parts manuals may just be 'service' replacements, not the actual part number people are sometimes looking for in a restoration. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft69z Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Another member just messaged me in the background with the info below. It corresponds with the same info that's in the '72 GM Service Manual, and the same info that 'rotinbob' found. Seems like 1108430 may be the correct starter for the 454 engine. As mentioned above, when I get the 70 service manual, I'll look. Hi Joe, I found the GM Monte Carlo Heritage starter numbers as being 1108338 for 350 with auto trans and 1108430 for 400 & 454 motors. I also found this link online which also helps with date codes; http://chevellestuff.net/qd/starter_numbers.htm I did not want to post this info because I see there are already conflicting numbers, so I will leave it to you for your review. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtret Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Same numbers as the text I sent you Joe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft69z Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, Dtret said: Same numbers as the text I sent you Joe. Yes, same page as the other member sent me last night. (his picture is a little better 🤣) In 1972, looks like they used that better starter (1108430) for all the Monte engines, small & big block. I'll check '71 when the new info gets here, curious now. They are different depending if it was auto or manual transmissions though. Below picture is from 1970 Service manual: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendo Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 so 1108430 is the part number but to find a date code to go with my ss built in sept of 69 does not exits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC1of80 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Watch ebay. Also remember you want a date coded big block starter from ANY big block chevy. ie, Camaro, Chevelle, Impala, Caprice, el camino, Kingswood wagon etc. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendo Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 over a year later I find one that is dated Sept 1969 which is the same month my car was built so its too late, believe i need it two months ahead July 1969. But waiting so long I figure close enough and bought it. Plus it was professionally rebuilt by Chargers Auto Electric one week later the right one pops up, now I got a starter for sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overdrive Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 My original starter for my '71 is dated about 3 weeks before the car was assembled. Dated 2 months ahead of assembly isn't common. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boyte Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 You never know???? Dionne Warwick may have been stamping the starters that day! 😂 And for just a small fee, she too can predict your future 😂 ps. She already knew we would all end up with MONTES !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendo Posted Saturday at 06:36 AM Author Share Posted Saturday at 06:36 AM On 11/23/2023 at 2:14 PM, overdrive said: My original starter for my '71 is dated about 3 weeks before the car was assembled. Dated 2 months ahead of assembly isn't common. Dan who really know what is common, the more I try to read about it the more I get confused. I read that the engine has a built date and then the other parts are put on carb, dist, starter etc. so those parts are obviously made before the engine date, make sense my car has a build date of sept. 15 1969, engine date sept 04 1969 and a distributor july 28 1969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtret Posted Saturday at 02:38 PM Share Posted Saturday at 02:38 PM 7 hours ago, sendo said: who really know what is common, the more I try to read about it the more I get confused. I read that the engine has a built date and then the other parts are put on carb, dist, starter etc. so those parts are obviously made before the engine date, make sense my car has a build date of sept. 15 1969, engine date sept 04 1969 and a distributor july 28 1969 You are correct. Generally you won’t go over 4 months before car build date. Up to three is usually pretty good. 4 is kinda pushing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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