Guest MusclecarBob Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 help all, just bought a 70 MONTE CARLO, I THINK, (ALMOST POSITIVE) SHE'S A #'S MATCHING M-20 1- of -839 4-SPEEDS of THE 165,000K BUILT ,26K ACTUAL MILES, SHE MAY BE 1-OF-400 , IF SHE HAS THE RAPIDFIRE 350 ENGINE (AGAIN I THINK) :-) OK from what i see its the correct intake and 4bbl intake # 3885577 i think INTAKE ALSO HAS A BIG "R" ON THE PS FRONT on the rear of the block it has 3970014 i think lol m-20 matches the vin and the cowl trim tag 3857 584 vin # 138570B171123 cowl tag st 70 13857 B104615 bdy 758 14 06 ? pnt 244 B 0067 CARB I HAVE #'S, but there on the ft and rear butterflies rear end i cant hardly see? CON? ON THE DS in the lower area just next the the cover? the other side PS, (IN THE SAME SPOT)as the Ps, LSO OR L3O? THEN I SEE #'S AS WELL ON THE REAR 2345? HELP ALSO THIS IS 1 OF 400 WITH THE M-20? WOW HOW MANY BENCH SEAT CARS? I THINK FROM WHAT I SEE ON THE COWL ITS CORTEX SILVER CORRECT? ALL HELP IS VERY APPRECIATTED REGARDS BOB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monte70car Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 the 3970014 checks out to be a 350 from 70-76 either 2 bolt main or 4 bolt main. check the # under the alt. to see if the last 6 #'s of the vin is stamped on it. 758 is blue cloth bench seat paint is cortez sliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MusclecarBob Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 robert yep cortez silver & blue bench seat m-20 is it the rapidfire 300 HP 350? how can i check the rear, you get anything from the #'s i provided? also its a non ac car, (if that helps on the rear)? 1 0f 400 WOW i'd like to have a BB, but this is Super Rare HUH? also is there a way to find out how many Bench seat M-20's were made of the 400? its also a 26K actual mile Monte Bob.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MusclecarBob Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 robert also how did you get a picture in the post? Bob.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam (Bones) Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Bob, all 4 spd montes had a M20 trans, it should also have the 350/300 engine, the rear axle is probably a 3.31 gear mine is the same, to top mine off, it has the roof painted white instead of a vinyl top (hand written in on the build sheet, cowl tag says spec two-tone), I wish we could figure out how many had benches vs. buckets you really need to get those numbers stamped by the cylinder head to know what you have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MusclecarBob Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 thanks bones what should the rear code be for 3:31? where is it located? wow a white painted top sweet do i have to pull the alt to check the last 6 to verify the engine is #'s? and also since its a stock 4bbl intake and carb, it is the 300HP/350 then? was yours built in baltimore? 1 more thing is your production #er close to mine, just wondering if these were all built at the same place and time? to bad they dont have records on these? why dont they? of 400 we have 2, there cant be many others left huh? sorry for the 50 questionxs regards bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monte70car Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 bob where did you get RAPIDFIRE 350 from? with it having a 4bbl carb and intake it it will be the bigger 350 with 300hp. all of the small blocks where label as turbo-fire. the rear end code is on the front side of the tube on the passenger side. i also dont see where you are getting 1 of 400 from? here is the codes for the rear end http://www.firstgenmc.com/tech/rearaxledecoding.shtml. you say the m-20 matches the vin and cowl tag? what #'s did it match with? also your build date on the cowl tag does not look right to me. your monte is a early build, looks like your monte was built 13,371 units behind my. try and find the build sheet as it will have all the information you need on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam (Bones) Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 there were more than 400, I don't know where you got that number??? mine was built in Van Nuys, California my body number is 00059, don't remember my VIN, it was built on 1/5/1970 have you looked for a build sheet??? I found a near perfect one rolled up nice and pretty in the lower half of the front seat, and another above the gas tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MusclecarBob Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 sam, sorry turbo-fire i seen here, maybe somwhere else, that there were only 839 4speeds built and 400 with the hi-perf 350 i guess the turbo-fire so the code is on the inboard side of the tube, (looking from the rear)? ,in other words the inner tube? the vin, cowl and tranny all have 13857, thats correct right? what dont look right on the cowl? i'll look for the build sheet under the rear seat? ft bench? gas tank? or? thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MusclecarBob Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 sorry sam and robert on that last message again i thought i sen on this site, it may have been another, i'll recheck, that there were only 839 70 monte carlo 4-speeds built period? and of them only 400 had the 300 hp 350? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam (Bones) Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 go to our tech page tech page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monte70car Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 the 13857 is the style #, the # you are trying to make is the last 6 #'s of your vin in this case you are looking for 171123. you are correct on where to look for the rear end code. the build date which is the first part of line three you posted 244. the build date should look like 02 with a letter from a to d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MusclecarBob Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 i see, duh, i need to recheck the numbers lol but there were only 839 4-speeds built with the 350 or 400 engine and then i wonder how many with the 350? and then i wonder how many of them with the bench seat and how many left not many i bet i'll recheck all the numbers co i have to take the alt off on the engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MusclecarBob Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 1970 Total Monte Carlo Production 145,976 4-Speed Manual 1,428 -With Turbo-Fire 350 or 400 V8 839 1970 Total Production: Sport Coupe 142,153 SS 454 Package 3,823 Total Monte Carlo Production 145,976 Options: Air Conditioning 101,307 Radio (excluding 8-track) 126,123 8-Track 11,970 Strato-Bucket Seats and Console 24,670 Adjustable Steering Column 23,648 Power Windows 15,619 Cruise Control 175 4-way Power Bench Seat 630 4-way Power Bucket Seats 540 Electric Trunk Release 980 Vinyl Roof 118,387 Belt Reveal Molding 900 Rear Fender Skirts 31,400 Power Steering 143,494 G70x15 White Stripe Tires 141,305 Tinted Windows 112,402 Rally Wheels 30,071 Wire or Colour-keyed Wheel Covers 56,639 Dual Exhaust 16,641 Automatic Level Control (SS only) 3,823 Limited-slip Rear End 15,911 Engines: 250 hp Turbo-Fire 350 V8 70,944 300 hp Turbo-Fire 350 V8 47,158 265 hp Turbo-Fire 400 V8 16,595 330 hp Turbo-Jet 400 V8 (actually 402 ci) 7,456 360 hp Turbo-Jet 454 V8 (SS only) 3,823 Transmissions: 3-Speed Manual 545 4-Speed Manual 1,428 -With Turbo-Fire 350 or 400 V8 839 -With Turbo-Jet 400 V8 589 Power Glide 7,507 Turbo Hydra-matic 350 125,710 Turbo Hydra-matic 400 10,786 Sources: Primarily General Motors but includes other various research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bell Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Sorry Bob, I see Monte70car has already addressed the rapid fire thing. Try to keep your postings and questions in one thread and also try not to repeat the same info. I don't think this car may be all that rare, if you look at all the options available, there really weren't any two cars exactly alike. This makes all of them "one of one just like this one" Here's where to find a listing of what the engine codes mean: http://www.chevelles.com/years/70/70codes.html Here's where to find the code on the engine: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MusclecarBob Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 hi paul thanks for the info, looks like i'll have to pull the alt i think 1 of 839 is fairly rare , of the 145 thousand made? dont you think, i realize each is rare to each owner but from a production standpoint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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