Thanks Sam, I agree always check the easiest first. Replaced bulbs first and tried the relay as well and still the same result. Since both issues happened at the same time, I was trying to find out if they all get controlled by one of the other switches, etc. I feel they are 2 separate issues that I will have to dive into individually. I'll check those plugs but if one is bad would that make the other blinkers and flashers not work?