jbird72 Posted June 1 Author Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, Dtret said: Make sure you unbolt the converter from the flexplate. Don’t pull it out with the engine. 3 more bolts. lol. I just wanna see what it is. Hope theres numbers on it. Cause with setup now thkin need higher 1 Quote
jbird72 Posted June 1 Author Posted June 1 2 minutes ago, jbird72 said: I just wanna see what it is. Hope theres numbers on it. Cause with setup now thkin need higher Ohh yeah. Yur right. 1 Quote
jbird72 Posted June 1 Author Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Dtret said: I wouldn’t blame Moroso. Different applications different pan. The person that installed the pan perhaps. It hasnt been installed prez joe was on video call its deff wrong aint moroso. Think summit sent 3rd gen sucks. Its gonna be right. Ill be postin the build 2 Quote
jbird72 Posted June 1 Author Posted June 1 2 hours ago, Scott S. said: Upper seal on the crankshaft ??? Yes. But pretty much mind up. Gonna pull. Be alot easier for the build. I guess they make somethin called a cirkscrew puller i lf i get out then gonna big time spray air up in there cause of the brittle 1 Quote
jbird72 Posted June 1 Author Posted June 1 2 hours ago, Dtret said: They make a tool for getting them out. Ive decided pullin and doin all head gasket...intake...change lifters done. 20 bucks is twenty bucks...prez says 8 bolts...f it 1 Quote
420ponies Posted June 2 Posted June 2 Better piece of mind. Everything running in front of you is right and tight. And you did the work yourself, Bonus!! 2 Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 4 hours ago, 420ponies said: If you have an old dipstick of any kind (bendable), thin steel, that will start in the space for the upper seal, that should do it. Might have try one side, then the other. I used a carb adjustment tool from my chainsaw to get that seal out. Is the old oil pan seal still intact? you could use that as a pattern to use to trim/cut around the oil dipstick tube. Reason for that tube is to keep thin metal away from spinning metal. If that seal is put in wrong, it will pour oil out the rear main. That rear main should be torqued in 2 steps. Have to look at my books for spec. . I'm thinking 65ft lbs. . I'll double check that spec. Omg dude holy [censored] so funny i was gonna use a band saw. ...jk man Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 10 minutes ago, 420ponies said: Better piece of mind. Everything running in front of you is right and tight. And you did the work yourself, Bonus!! 100 percent sir i had my olladys nephew help lol today ..he didnt know dif betwixt 1/2 drive 3/8. And alot more . Dudes 26. Trying to bond ..he means well but i almost lost it when handed him my wrench and he placed it in a antifreez puddle and then seen all sockets was in lil oil spills i get it the floor had spills but really common sense says DO NOT LAY TOOLS InANY liguid [censored]...26 yrs old Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 33 minutes ago, 420ponies said: Better piece of mind. Everything running in front of you is right and tight. And you did the work yourself, Bonus!! 100 percent like I said might as well take the heads off. New gaskets, new intake, manifold gaskets and check all the lifters or replaced as long as it's out that way. If anything happens, i've done everything I can do as far as top end 1 Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 12 hours ago, 420ponies said: Better piece of mind. Everything running in front of you is right and tight. And you did the work yourself, Bonus!! Quick question. With that set up i got. I thk converter might be in low 2s. Not sure. Runnin 373 12 bolt..th400...should i get somethin higher stall..i was thinkin 3000 or maybe lil higher Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 17 hours ago, 420ponies said: If you have an old dipstick of any kind (bendable), thin steel, that will start in the space for the upper seal, that should do it. Might have try one side, then the other. I used a carb adjustment tool from my chainsaw to get that seal out. Is the old oil pan seal still intact? you could use that as a pattern to use to trim/cut around the oil dipstick tube. Reason for that tube is to keep thin metal away from spinning metal. If that seal is put in wrong, it will pour oil out the rear main. That rear main should be torqued in 2 steps. Have to look at my books for spec. . I'm thinking 65ft lbs. . I'll double check that spec. I think its around 75 ....thats what ibterweb says ...yeah im torn. Might still just pull motor. I dunno that way i can also see what converter i have if theres markings...it all started with carb change lol 1 Quote
GRAY 70 Monte Carlo Posted June 2 Posted June 2 5 hours ago, jbird72 said: Quick question. With that set up i got. I thk converter might be in low 2s. Not sure. Runnin 373 12 bolt..th400...should i get somethin higher stall..i was thinkin 3000 or maybe lil higher High stall is going to increase heat would consider a trans cooler .Also with that gear consider you cruising rpm on the highway at 70 mph your rpm is 3335 (15’ wheels) converter not slipping but in town driving your rpm is 2144 at 45 mph now the converter is slipping the entire time i am no expert there are many others on the site way more knowledgeable than me .i would consider a few things wheel size , cam shaft power band (general rule 400-500 rpm above your cam rating).the only reason i know this is i also am also running th400 with 3.73 gears.i would think it really comes down to what you are going to do with the car is it cruiser or a racer 1 Quote
Scott S. Posted June 2 Posted June 2 21 hours ago, jbird72 said: There's a magical way of getting that out of there This is just one of those "life lessons"...... And that's always good to have. 1 Quote
Scott S. Posted June 2 Posted June 2 22 hours ago, 420ponies said: If you have an old dipstick of any kind (bendable), thin steel, that will start in the space for the upper seal, that should do it. Might have try one side, then the other. I used a carb adjustment tool from my chainsaw to get that seal out. Is the old oil pan seal still intact? you could use that as a pattern to use to trim/cut around the oil dipstick tube. Reason for that tube is to keep thin metal away from spinning metal. If that seal is put in wrong, it will pour oil out the rear main. That rear main should be torqued in 2 steps. Have to look at my books for spec. . I'm thinking 65ft lbs. . I'll double check that spec. with the transmission still attached, it'll be a real chore to get that seal out. Quote
Scott S. Posted June 2 Posted June 2 17 hours ago, jbird72 said: 100 percent sir i had my olladys nephew help lol today ..he didnt know dif betwixt 1/2 drive 3/8. And alot more . Dudes 26. Trying to bond ..he means well but i almost lost it when handed him my wrench and he placed it in a antifreez puddle and then seen all sockets was in lil oil spills i get it the floor had spills but really common sense says DO NOT LAY TOOLS InANY liguid [censored]...26 yrs old The internet doesn't cover common sense...... I know far too many people like your nephew...... And some of them are my age. 1 Quote
Scott S. Posted June 2 Posted June 2 22 minutes ago, GRAY 70 Monte Carlo said: High stall is going to increase heat would consider a trans cooler .Also with that gear consider you cruising rpm on the highway at 70 mph your rpm is 3335 (15’ wheels) converter not slipping but in town driving your rpm is 2144 at 45 mph now the converter is slipping the entire time i am no expert there are many others on the site way more knowledgeable than me .i would consider a few things wheel size , cam shaft power band (general rule 400-500 rpm above your cam rating).the only reason i know this is i also am also running th400 with 3.73 gears.i would think it really comes down to what you are going to do with the car is it cruiser or a racer Going to a 3000 rpm stall will basically make your Monte a "streetlight warrior"..... And luckily there's a gas station near each one, 'cause that's how much fuel you'll be burning. 1 Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 18 minutes ago, Scott S. said: This is just one of those "life lessons"...... And that's always good to have. 100 percent Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 9 minutes ago, Scott S. said: The internet doesn't cover common sense...... I know far too many people like your nephew...... And some of them are my age. Right! Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 4 minutes ago, Scott S. said: Going to a 3000 rpm stall will basically make your Monte a "streetlight warrior"..... And luckily there's a gas station near each one, 'cause that's how much fuel you'll be burning. Well before started doin all this even without being tuned yet shed smoke tires go sideways with lil brake of course but when shed catch. Shed not really bog down. But wouldnt launch so thinkin carb of course needs tuning or the stall thats in there is too low ill see if when pull motor theres a code or somethin on it . Btw its not an everday car so gas is expected lol. Sucks cabt run 87 or 89.. Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 8 minutes ago, Scott S. said: Going to a 3000 rpm stall will basically make your Monte a "streetlight warrior"..... And luckily there's a gas station near each one, 'cause that's how much fuel you'll be burning. Yur also on money at 60 65 with the high rpm speed Quote
Scott S. Posted June 2 Posted June 2 Just now, jbird72 said: 100 percent I remember my first engine swap.... Put a 350 into an '80 Cabellero. (El Camino) Got everything buttoned up, took it for a drive and found that one of the gaskets had slipped down over the exhaust outlet on #1 cylinder. That explained the over heating. A couple weeks later I broke the starter. Went and got a new one.... Broke it about a week later. Tried that again.... Broke that one too... Finally figured out (with some advice) that using the flywheel from the 305 wasn't a good plan on a 350. Had to separate the engine/transmission to put the correct flywheel in. Glad that someone was there to tell me what they thought might be wrong before I blew a fortune on starters. Quote
Scott S. Posted June 2 Posted June 2 5 minutes ago, jbird72 said: Well before started doin all this even without being tuned yet shed smoke tires go sideways with lil brake of course but when shed catch. Shed not really bog down. But wouldnt launch so thinkin carb of course needs tuning or the stall thats in there is too low ill see if when pull motor theres a code or somethin on it . Btw its not an everday car so gas is expected lol. Sucks cabt run 87 or 89.. 3.73:1 gears will do that.... Probably why you've got a TH400 in her. Up here the price between 87 and 93/4 octane is about $2.00 a gallon. So I've taken to running 87 with an octane booster. $6.00 of booster will treat 16+ gallons of fuel. But I'm a bit of a "thrifty" person. Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 4 minutes ago, Scott S. said: 3.73:1 gears will do that.... Probably why you've got a TH400 in her. Up here the price between 87 and 93/4 octane is about $2.00 a gallon. So I've taken to running 87 with an octane booster. $6.00 of booster will treat 16+ gallons of fuel. But I'm a bit of a "thrifty" person. Thats a great idea.. Quote
jbird72 Posted June 2 Author Posted June 2 12 minutes ago, Scott S. said: I remember my first engine swap.... Put a 350 into an '80 Cabellero. (El Camino) Got everything buttoned up, took it for a drive and found that one of the gaskets had slipped down over the exhaust outlet on #1 cylinder. That explained the over heating. A couple weeks later I broke the starter. Went and got a new one.... Broke it about a week later. Tried that again.... Broke that one too... Finally figured out (with some advice) that using the flywheel from the 305 wasn't a good plan on a 350. Had to separate the engine/transmission to put the correct flywheel in. Glad that someone was there to tell me what they thought might be wrong before I blew a fortune on starters. Lol i hear ya. I thought had bad starter. Replaced it side of road...still wouldnt start. Had to use screwdriver trick wich not easy with smokin hot headers. Figured naybe electrical..all was was bad nuetral safty switch. Shifter only 1 yr old. Who would of thunk so at least have a spare starter now Quote
Scott S. Posted June 2 Posted June 2 1 minute ago, jbird72 said: Lol i hear ya. I thought had bad starter. Replaced it side of road...still wouldnt start. Had to use screwdriver trick wich not easy with smokin hot headers. Figured naybe electrical..all was was bad nuetral safty switch. Shifter only 1 yr old. Who would of thunk so at least have a spare starter now You'll probably aquire a lot of spare parts as you go along...... Quote
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