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Darren, what is the selector prong's function? I am sure that might seem like a dumb question but I cant think of what the prong selects?

Ok . So some of the guys have been on me about posting some pictures. I usually have a hard time getting these on here since the forum switched over. I will give it a try.

The description that you guys gave is hard to put into words. Trying to describe how to position a crooked stick is tough. I rigged up the rod without the boot first and swapped the ends until it seemed to stay closest to the middle of the hole. Then I put the boot on the rod and reinstalled.

I ended up getting a cable from Year One, part number CS6. It is 80 inches long. It could be shorter and still work.

Yes Sam. I think Darren is saying that a 4 speed column is different than a floor shift automatic column. I don't know what is different about them.

Thanks for the addition Darren. I was able to use my existing crossmember. I had a TH350 transmission. I removed the end caps and rubber on the ends and drilled holes to mount mine. The TH400 crossmember may or may not work. I drilled a hole in the steering column plate on mine. Please elaborate on the steering column differences. I assumed that a floor shift would work for either.

Thanks Darren. I will check with them.

Hey guys, I recently did the 4 speed conversion for my 72 monte. The speedometer cable I got from Ground Up was 80 inches long and had a screw connector on each end. (I am not sure if it was too long because I didn't take it out of the package). The cable I took out had a screw connector on the transmission end but a push lock type connector on the speedometer end. Ground up says that they have one with the correct ends but it is 100 inches long. I feel that is going to be too long. Does anyone have a source for a cable that will work?

I removed mine by sitting in the seat and using a scrap piece of wood and a hammer to slowly remove them, just driving them off slowly.

I just wanted to put down a few notes for folks here that are considering a 4 speed swap on their montes. Last year, I bought a car that I felt would be perfect for a project, just like I wanted. It was a 72 bench seat, 350 4bbl, th350 transmission car. I wanted to convert it to a buckets, console, big block, manual transmission. While it is far from being completed (if there is such a thing), I feel that one of the major steps has been accomplished: the installation of the Muncie 4 speed. I also have the bucket seats in and have a real good lead on a 454 that could be mine in the next few weeks. Anyway, I wanted to give a list of parts that I needed for this project, just in case someone wants to take this project on: transmission bolts for transmission to bell housing bellhousing bolts for bellhousing to engine flywheel bolts for flywheel to crank clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing, line up tool bolts for pressure plate to flywheel pilot bushing hurst shifter (3) bolts to bolt shifter linkage to transmission brake and clutch pedal as well as rubber pads for them upper clutch push rod z bar frame mount for z bar (specific for monte carlo) frame side z bar pivot ball engine side z bar pivot ball 3 pc z bar plastic bushing with retaining clip clutch adjusting rod with swivel clutch rod boot clutch rod boot retainer push rod return spring clutch fork boot clutch push rod clips 4 speed hump for console clutch return fork shifter boot console boot retaining ring console console tunnel console trim screws console wiring harness console extension harness console mounting brackets flywheel inspection cover and bolts starter speedometer cable Here are a few parts that I will need but have not acquired: floor shift steering column speedometer without PRNDL neutral safety switch backup light switch There may be other things but it is drivable at this point Here are a few things to consider: I am a mechanically inclined person but am not a mechanic. I spent about a week doing this work, after work and 2 of the days were full days working on the car. I think I could have done this project in 4 full days. Now that I have gotten most of it done, I could probably do it again in 3 days. Don't buy flywheel and clutch until you get your bellhousing. The bellhousing will determine which flywheel and clutch you can use. Make sure your frame mount for z bar is for a first generation monte carlo. All other a bodies used a similar but different bracket. Our cars need a specific one. The clutch linkage kit I bought came with everything for a Monte, and I still got the incorrect bracket. As far as transmissions go, there are a lot of options with gear ratios, etc. I would recommend talking to someone that can help you decide what you want. My car has 2.73 rear end gear. I opted for a 2.54 first gear in my Muncie. It operates nicely. I have good power in all gears. It probably wont be a tire burner. I might would go with a 2.90 first gear if I could. As far as shifters go, I bought the Muncie but before I installed it, it was recommended that I get a Hurst. Ground Up offers a Hurst competition plus shifter with a Muncie handle. This is what I bought to make it look correct. There are probably other vendors as well. When positioning the hump in floor, install bellhousing, mount shifter (not the handle) to transmission and stick it up to see where to start cutting the floor. You will need to have cross member in as well to get proper position. I cut a small enough hole for the shifter to not get in the way of existing floor pan. Then, once the transmission will set in its correct location, I bolted on the shifter handle and placed the hump where it needed to go based on shifter range of motion. I marked the perimeter of hump, removes it and cut the hole about one inch inside the perimeter of hump. After welding it in, I used seam sealer to seal the underside and then coated with POR 15 for protection. I also want to say that I could not have completed this without the great guys on this forum. I ask any of you to add to this thread to make it informative for any of us considering this swap.

I went for my first decent ride with my new 4 speed today. I did make a 5 mile run last night after completing the install but today I drove it on a 60 mile round trip to get some new mufflers. Man, it felt good to go through the gears! Hopefully, in the next few days, I will drive it to get my radiator which will be a 100 mile round trip.

I put a second coat of POR 15 on underside of floor pan at about 4:30 this morning. I hope it will be dry enough in a little while for me to finish up the Muncie installation.

ok...so I was doing it right I guess! I think I have forgotten how to cuss but I have a feeling that if I mess with this much longer, I might remember!

Hey there 4 speed experts, My Muncie conversion is going very well. (Thanks to the fine folks on this forum). I am trying to connect the clutch pedal to the z bar with the upper clutch rod or some call it a clutch firewall rod, depending who sells it. I just cant figure out which end goes to z bar and which end goes to clutch pedal. I have tried both ways and not having any luck. I was trying to copy and paste the part from the Ground Up website but just cant figure out how to do that. Anyway, it is part number FW 68 on their website ss396.com. Many thanks.

Thanks for the help. I talked to Chicago muscle cars and they had one. Nice folks. Shipping it out today.

I am converting my 72 to 4 speed and I am in need of frame mount for z bar. The conversion I bought came with one for a chevelle. I have ordered one from OPGI and they are saying that it might be 30 days before they get it. I am looking for one much sooner. Does anyone know of another source?

Thanks much guys. I don't know how people did this stuff before great forums and friends like we have here. I am really excited to meet some of you next month at Carlisle.

I just talked to the folks at Ground Up. To get the Hurst shifter, with Muncie handle for bucket seat and console application, the part # is FHM-69K. It is about $480.

Oops. I see your link now sam. Thanks.

Will do guys. Is there a preferred source for this set up? Is it possible to use a Muncie handle so it will look correct? Or was the Hurst shifter an option. It's not that big of a deal...just curious.

Hey guys. I am planning to start the Muncie swap and thought I would bolt the shifter up. I ordered this shifter from Lutty's and it doesn't seem to bolt up to my transmission. Please see the pictures and let me know if this in fact the right one or if I need a different one.

That's the info I had seen Leo. Thanks.

Hey guys, I am planning to start my Muncie conversion here in a week or so. I plan to install the console while doing this. I am curious about the location of the console mounting bracket. I feel like I have seen it somewhere before but can't remember where. Does anyone know where I can find the dimensions for the placement of the bracket?

glad to hear that. I am also disappointed that my stock air filter assembly will not fit on it. Mine has the light surface rust that I like plus it would cover up some of this shiny carburetor. Do you know if there is some kind of spacer/ gasket that would be tall enough to use my stock setup?

Well, I had good results today, at least with this car. It seems that my ac compressor and alternator were making some noises from work bearings. I did end up replacing the carburetor with an Edelbrock. The only think I have yet to figure out is how to get the AC fast idle solenoid to mount to the carb. I am guessing that Edelbrock can help with that. Do you all know of a source for a bracket for this? Thanks for all of the help.