Winston Wolf Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 Here you can see the difference between the RPM Air-Gap and the Super Victor height wise. The way I will be running is with this 3/8" Edelbrock gasket. It is pretty much the same height as the RPM with the 1" spacer. Without the spacers though, the Super is indeed taller. Here you can see the difference in intakes. Below that, you will notice how much larger the plenum is vs what the Airgap has. It is showing the gasket for the new intake. I still have to enlarge my TV/throttle cable bracket to match the intake, but then it should be good to go. I did have to make a little bracket to hold the coil, as this intake has no mounting holes on it. I'll put up the final product when I finish it this weekend. Then wait for the snow to melt and get it on the rollers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL M Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 lookin' good Winston! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Wolf Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 Done and done. I'll light it up tomorrow after the silicone has cured. Still a bit dusty after sitting all winter, but you get the idea. Looks like a nice little sleeper smallblock. Nothing fancy, in fact if my stock valve covers would fit, I would be running them. If this works as expected, I will probably have an RPM Air-gap for sale. But not until after I get it on the dyno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7tonemonte Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Definately has a nice sleeper look to it! Ill bet you cant wait to see the #s on it! Nice work on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL M Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Sweeeeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Wolf Posted April 6, 2011 Author Share Posted April 6, 2011 Had the car back on the Dynojet again today. Only change was the from the Air-Gap intake (with 1" open spacer) to the Super Victor. Same 37 degree timing and I did go up one size in the primaries to compensate for the switch. I did no tuning. Pretty nice increase, there is no way I would run the Airgap on this engine. There is no torque loss and a big bump in HP. This really debunks the dual vs single myth. I feel pretty good for a home port job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heckeng Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Nice job. I guess the SBC air gap is more aimed for the standard 350? The larger intake helped quite a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Wolf Posted April 6, 2011 Author Share Posted April 6, 2011 Here are the 3 pulls from today together, in case anybody cares. Quite a difference, not sure if it's from the engine getting warm or what? Also want to add that I can tell no difference in driving the car on the street, as far as throttle response, part throttle acceleration, manners, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbreese Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Good job Justin!! That mill is making some serious steam!!! I cant remember if your car has stock hood or a cowl style. I do recall you having the corvette style base for the air cleaner assembly. I would have liked to have used a Super Vic but I didn't think it would fit under my stock hood. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Wolf Posted April 6, 2011 Author Share Posted April 6, 2011 Good job Justin!! That mill is making some serious steam!!! I cant remember if your car has stock hood or a cowl style. I do recall you having the corvette style base for the air cleaner assembly. I would have liked to have used a Super Vic but I didn't think it would fit under my stock hood. David Stock hood,L88 Corvette air cleaner,Edelbrock .320 thick gasket (#9265), 4" Element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbreese Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Dang!!!!! Oh well guess I can give it a try later on. Are you using the stock throttle cable and bracket? Thanks, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Wolf Posted April 6, 2011 Author Share Posted April 6, 2011 Dang!!!!! Oh well guess I can give it a try later on. Are you using the stock throttle cable and bracket? Thanks, David DB, I am using the stock throttle cable and part of the stock bracket. I use a Bowtie Overdrives TV cable bracket for a Holley carb (because of the 200-4r). I had to cut the stock bracket and mount it on the TV cable bracket, down and in towards the carb, as it would hit the air cleaner. It's a tight fit, but works well. Just a couple small holes/bolt. The L88 base literally wraps the whole carb. If you went to one, (L88 base) you could certainly run a 1" spacer in your car. The Super Victor is 5.5" high and I have another .5" in gaskets and brackets. The Victor Jr is 4.58" high... In fact if you went with a 3" element, you should be able to get a 2" spacer in, I did it with the Air-Gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbreese Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Thanks for the great pic's and commentary. I will more than likley go with the L88 base with the stock throttle cable and bracket. I actually have a 1/2" spacer between the top of the carb neck and the air cleaner base to make sure I have enough clearance between the lid of the air cleaner and the vent tubes. A drop base like yours would allow me to run a 4" filter without issue. BTW that carb in the pic looks real familiar!!! Thanks, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Wolf Posted May 13, 2011 Author Share Posted May 13, 2011 Checked lash on the solid cam. Things were pretty much in line, nothing was out more than a couple thousanths. I decided to add a stud girdle anyways, since I'm running 225# seat pressure, over .600 lift, and reving it to 6700+. Pretty straight forward install and still had enough room for a short baffle inside the valve covers and the stock style PCV set up. If it ever stops raining here on the weekends, I can get everything track tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbreese Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 That looks real slick Justin. Good to know that the lash had changed very little since you have been running the car even without the girdle. I'm sure the new stud girdle will keep every thing in spec. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy's Auto Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Pretty cool. Can't wait for track numbers. You should see at least a tenth out of it. Look like it will pull like hell past 4250. Track time soon? Me? I am done until it cools down. The car still runs good but I do not in 96 degree heat. The last track rentail I used my fire jacket to wipe the sweat out. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Wolf Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 Did get to the track, although due to a Saturday rainout, there wasn't any test and tune day. Didn't get to play with the carb or spacers or shocks like I had hoped. It picked up 1.5 mph and almost a tenth, but not there yet. The carb is going lean at the top end. I didn't have any air bleeds with me, so I couldn't fix it while I was there. Below is the fuel curve. When it changes at the top of the RPM range, it's from the hi speed air bleed being the wrong size. If it was going rich, I would need to put a larger diameter air bleed in, but since it's going lean, I need to change to a smaller orifice. That should flatten out the curve and hopefully pick up a little bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Wow man! I just read through all of this, well done and way to put your head down and just push through all the bad luck. I know you got your ignition issues fixed, just thought I would add something. I went through something similar when I had my 75 Vega where it kept breaking up at the top end ~7000 rpm in 2nd gear and I was pulling my hair out trying to figure it out. Even talked to the MSD guys as it was a 7AL2 that I had, and eventually it was a promod guy that figured it out for me. He suggested I tighten up my plug gap to no more than 0.025 gap, which was opposite to what the MSD guy was telling me. After trying a bunch of things I changed the plugs and closed the gap to what he said and the car never ran better. Anyways this was a great thread, good luck this year you are do for some good runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Wolf Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 Just a post to finish up this thread. Only got out a few times this year. Learned a couple things though. Having double adjustable rear shocks just makes it double as hard to dial them in. Never did get my 60 ft times as low as they were last year with the stock control arms, stock springs, no sway bar, and air shocks. Found out my issue with the car going lean on the top end was from not having enough gas in the tank. When the gauge got below 1/4, the fuel pressure would start to drop right at the end of the track. Keeping a few extra gallons in it solves that problem. Holley makes a nice electric fuel pressure gauge that you can mount inside the car. The Super Victor I ported ended up being about 2 MPH faster in the 1/4, and that pretty much exactly matches the 20ish HP it gained at the wheels on the dyno. I will never run an AC Delco spark plug again. I had several that were bad brand new and cost me alot of trouble shooting time. I changed to Champions, and all my ignition issues went away. Car has gone 11.54 @ 118.66 About the same as the guys with the bigger stroker small blocks. So, not much left to do with this engine, since I can't really run it any faster. Time to just enjoy it........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigscaht Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 man glad to hear ya got your problems solved..shes lookin and runnin good..now jus go have fun with her for a while!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
502ci Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Nice photos, great ET's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL M Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Great job Wolfie!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbreese Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Great job Justin, From the looks of the tires your hitting them hard which means your suspension and converter are working well. I think you said somewhere in the thread that you were looking to reach the 11.50 goal well....congrats on the accomplishment! Now go out there next season and clean up at the bracket race series. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Wolf Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 The tires look to hit ok, but my 60 fts are still slow for what I'm running. I would say I average a 1.75 with some climbing to the 1.8 range. When I'm in those short times, it's usually doing a 11.64 ish. Here is a video of me against my cousin in his GTO. As close as 2 cars can get. Ends up being .082 difference across the line with reaction times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 LS5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I started reading through this post at work and since it was like a suspence thriller, I had to read the rest at home. Man o man - I don't know if this would kill the ambition for a new hot rodder or Justin should be the number one inspriration for us all! A person can learn more about engine building and drag racing this thread than anywhere. Nice documentation! I wish I took that kind of care putting together my engine. I'll blame it on lack of tools..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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