riverdogs00 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Group, Doing a 4 speed conversion on a 70', and I wondered if anyone had a Clear picture of their Z-bar frame bracket. The conversion kit I bought was pretty complete, but its obvious the frame bracket is wrong. I just wanted to see if it makes sense to modify the one I have, or try to make one. I could potentially remove the forward bolt, and swing into place and redrill, but am wondering about the height of the notch. Seems like a pic I saw from ss454-71 showed a bracket that was taller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC1of80 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Here is a pic of my factory 71 402 4 speeds frame. Thought I had a better pic, sorry. I hope this helps. The frame bracket for a Monte is specific to the Monte only 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Here are a couple pictures of my 70 small block 4 speed. Your bracket doesn’t look square and doesn’t seem to be high enough. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverdogs00 Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 Thx guys, yup the one I have that came with the kit is off angle and too low. thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverdogs00 Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 I found this company that reproduces it, but its sold out. At least I have a clear picture of it. https://4speedconversions-com.3dcartstores.com/3972641_r1.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montemedic Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Check with The Parts Place. I think they have it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cny first gen 71 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I was looking on parts place the other day for something and pretty sure I saw them there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverdogs00 Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 5 hours ago, Montemedic said: Check with The Parts Place. I think they have it. I looked online, and of course they do not have a picture of the frame bracket. when I looked at their conversion kit https://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/product/1970/1970-chevrolet-monte-carlo-4-speed-conversion-kit-kit-includes-brake-and-clutch-pedals-z-bar-clutch-pedal-pushrod-pedal-pushrod-boot-retainer-clutch-fork-boot-clutch-fork-adjustable-clutch-fork-pushrod-clutch-fork-ball-clutch-return-spring-s-z-bar-frame-bracket-z-bar-hardware-kit-containing-an-engine-ball-stud-frame-side-ball-stud-1-retainer-1-felt-washer-2-nylon-bushings/35626 It shows the same incorrect bracket I already have. not sure ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCfan Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Hey, Mike, As you have already learned, the Z-bar frame bracket is unique to the Monte. Here is a link to an older thread on 4-speed conversions that confirms that fact: https://www.firstgenmc.com/forums/index.php?/topic/13767-my-4-speed-conversion/ Unfortunately, I don't believe that thread identifies a source for the correct Monte bracket but maybe you can take a closer look. I would guess that a search for an original bracket might be long and difficult as so few manual transmissions were installed in first gen Montes. Good luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft69z Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 SS396 has this one, says 'picture may be different than actual part'., doubtful it's the correct one though. Looks like the same one offered in the entire kit. https://www.ss396.com/monte-carlo/FB-566.html?Category_Code=monte-carlo-clutchzbar This place has one, at least it appears to have the correct GM part number for 70-72 Monte, 3972641, as referenced in the 4-speed conversion website. https://www.classicmuscle.com/p-1968-1977-monte-carlo-frame-bracket-3972641 This old thread addresses it as well: https://www.firstgenmc.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5703-clutch-pedal-interchanges/#comment-67397 Another option, if you're not too concerned about appearances would be a hydraulic conversion. I just put one in my Camaro, so far I'm really pleased with it. Eliminates all the linkages, slop, hard pedal, etc. I hid the small fluid reservoir behind the power brake booster, barely noticeable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverdogs00 Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 17 hours ago, riverdogs00 said: I looked online, and of course they do not have a picture of the frame bracket. when I looked at their conversion kit https://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/product/1970/1970-chevrolet-monte-carlo-4-speed-conversion-kit-kit-includes-brake-and-clutch-pedals-z-bar-clutch-pedal-pushrod-pedal-pushrod-boot-retainer-clutch-fork-boot-clutch-fork-adjustable-clutch-fork-pushrod-clutch-fork-ball-clutch-return-spring-s-z-bar-frame-bracket-z-bar-hardware-kit-containing-an-engine-ball-stud-frame-side-ball-stud-1-retainer-1-felt-washer-2-nylon-bushings/35626 It shows the same incorrect bracket I already have. not sure ha I called the parts place this am. They assured me that the part, while not pictured, is the correct one for our cars. I ordered...we will see 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverdogs00 Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 5 hours ago, jft69z said: SS396 has this one, says 'picture may be different than actual part'., doubtful it's the correct one though. Looks like the same one offered in the entire kit. https://www.ss396.com/monte-carlo/FB-566.html?Category_Code=monte-carlo-clutchzbar This place has one, at least it appears to have the correct GM part number for 70-72 Monte, 3972641, as referenced in the 4-speed conversion website. https://www.classicmuscle.com/p-1968-1977-monte-carlo-frame-bracket-3972641 This old thread addresses it as well: https://www.firstgenmc.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5703-clutch-pedal-interchanges/#comment-67397 Another option, if you're not too concerned about appearances would be a hydraulic conversion. I just put one in my Camaro, so far I'm really pleased with it. Eliminates all the linkages, slop, hard pedal, etc. I hid the small fluid reservoir behind the power brake booster, barely noticeable. The bracket shown on the 396 site is what I have already received and its incorrect. The second site has the correct bracket, it appears but the store is closed ha. Just my luck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft69z Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, riverdogs00 said: The bracket shown on the 396 site is what I have already received and its incorrect. The second site has the correct bracket, it appears but the store is closed ha. Just my luck Let us know how it works out. That other place appears to be affiliated with GM Wholesale Direct, and is also a Chevy dealer (Modern Chevy, as well as a bunch of other brands). They list a couple different phone numbers, if the Parts Place doesn't work out. https://www.classicmuscle.com/about 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverdogs00 Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 On 3/1/2023 at 10:02 AM, Montemedic said: Check with The Parts Place. I think they have it. Thats the one I ordered a couple of days ago. No pic on the website however. We will see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC1of80 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 There is one on eBay right now. Just looked at it. Used- 65.00. type in 1971 Monte Carlo used, then sort, pick newly listed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverdogs00 Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 Group, These pics are only for reference for future searches of this topic. Shown is the incorrect bracket for the GM A body that is too short for our cars, as well as a clear picture of the correct bracket. Hopefully it will help others in the future. I will let you know if the $14.00 bracket from the parts place is the correct one when it arrives today. If not, then its the $65.00 used bracket on Ebay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverdogs00 Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 New bracket arrived from the parts place - looks correct. Posting a few pics of it, with their contact info and part number, and side by side with the traditional GM a body part. Thx to Montemedic for the tip. It was $14 vs $65 for the used item. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC1of80 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Glad you received the correct part! Now on to the next project. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverdogs00 Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, MC1of80 said: Glad you received the correct part! Now on to the next project. Lol Yup, still trying to get it wired. Not my strong suit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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